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money helping people with drug treatment or healthcare, that will reduce the crime and public safety problems than the war on drugs. >> $50 billion to $100 billion a year. what aspect of that drug war is more problematic from your perspective? is it the sentencing? is it the prosecution the military intervention, what aspect, what component of that kind of investment in failure from your perspective is president bushproblematic. >> it's really the high levels of arrest and incarceration. in america we have less than 5% of the world population, but the highest percentage of incarcerated population. and the extent of people of color being behind bars who are no more likely to be using or selling drugs. than white people, and internationally it's the intersection of a.i.d.s. you look at some countries in europe, australia, they kept their h.i.v. rates among drug users to 1% to 2%. in america we've allowed ..25 people die because we would not trump that. >> and it's the needle exchange. >> trying to deal with them as human beings, as we would with an alcoholic or cigarette addict. if you
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